Sincerely, Michelle Western Digital Service and Support http://support.wdc.com. I got mine from Best Buy on sale for $169.99, which seems like a good deal when compared to other WD Red 8TB hard drives and the $299.99 shelf price. Now also Seagate Skyhawk have few SMR drives. As for whether either of these are SMR - I have seen no evidence. Joined Aug 2, 2004 … It's really not acceptable. I am sorry for the inconvenience caused to you. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Western Digital was founded on April 23, 1970, by Alvin B. Phillips, a Motorola employee, as General Digital, initially a manufacturer of MOS test equipment. SMR is 2TB and up. 30 Jun '18 “Shucking” refers to removing the drives from external HDDs, because often it’s cheaper than buying the drive directly. So I don't believe these are SMR. WD80EDAZ is the new drive that is being found in the WD 8tb Easystore drives instead of the WD Red WD80EZAZ we are all used to. Cookies help us deliver our Services. If something goes wrong and you lose power before that cache is written to slow slow disk, your array needs to be rebuilt. 30 Jun '18 ... (except for shingled magnetic recording (SMR) drives, which should be avoided at all costs for the purpose of using the drive in a NAS). I've said it before and I'll gladly say it again... SMR drives need a TRIM-Equivalent command to survive as a product so they can discard the unused blocks. This shopping feature will continue to load items when the Enter key is pressed. Inside the WD Easystore 10TB external devices are 10TB helium-filled SATA III hard drives. Give us a drive firmware update that adds it! Although all three major manufacturers quietly added SMR disks to their desktop hard drive line-up, Western Digital is the only one so far to slip them into its NAS (Network Attached Storage) stack. One dead giveaway that it is indeed SMR is that it supports TRIM. The WD Blue 2.5" HDD series that feature the SMR technology is the 1 TB drive, and the 2 TB drive while from the WD Black 2.5" HDD series only has a single drive that uses the SMR technology, which is the 1 TB drive. Reactions: Samir. I'm afraid that'll just get a canned "If performance and availability is one of your design metrics, we recommend that you look at our enterprise and datacenter product lines.". I'd just reply back asking to escalate it to someone who would have more information. It’s written once and never modified. With up to 14TB 1 capacity, there’s plenty of storage space. Except if they think (probably correctly) still enough people would be tricked by this. Okay, a little more digging and I noticed on all WD drives the last 3 digits of the R/N corresponds to the drive size. Additionally SMR drives contain a proprietary cache due to their slow writes. Perhaps they intend on replacing the 12TB easystores with SMR drives eventually. WD publishes complete list of SMR drives following user backlash Check to see if you've bought a slower WD model for your NAS By Humza Aamir on April 24, 2020, 8:11 20 comments. You will be looking at the higher end of the average, but it comes with a 2-year limited warranty, not to mention the software. Right now it's about the same lowest cost with fewer platters but more complicated heads or old-gen heads but with more platters and helium, and with cheap external drives they probably just use whatever extra parts are on hand on the date of manufacture for the cheapest price. Only 3 left in stock - order soon. It's clear that they aren't going to make a new 6TB drive that has 4 times the cache and it's 110g lighter (one platter less?) I’ll offer no guidance on this, but it isn’t too tricky. The WD Easystore is available in both 4 TB and 8 TB capacities. All these drives share the same R/N #. Nov 7, 2019 #7 K. Kipchak n00b. List of WD CMR and SMR hard drives (HDD) Updated table : 23/10/2020. This post was inspired by https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/dysqwe/wd_response_12tb_easystores_smr_or_pmr/. WD 8TB Easystore Although cheaper than the WD Easystore Desktop hard drive, there isn’t a great deal of difference and it is still a little pricey. WD Discovery software can also be used to manage your drive settings like reformatting, LED control and more. Perhaps they have access to WD documents we're not privy to. First was an article about WD: Buyer beware—that 2TB-6TB “NAS” drive you’ve been eyeing might be SMR Then a follow-up article about Seagate: Seagate says Network Attached Storage and SMR don’t mix It's still a bunch to go through, but basically I took away the following: Some 2-6TB drives from WD may have SMR. All other HDDs in these series use different recording technology called CMR or conventional magnetic recording. Shucking 8TB WD Easystores. You can use the Windows’ Supported Software given below for the drive. The video shows how to open the enclosure without breaking it and shuck the drive in great detail. There is no conceivable excuse not to tell you straight if the WD60EFAX is or isn't SMR. Good, now let's hope this spreads around the sub as quickly as it did when one guy speculated that the drive might be SMR (based on who knows what) and it became fact for a couple of weeks. With all the recent controversy regarding WD, Toshiba, and Seagate slipping SMR drives into retail channels and failing to disclose the use of their slower technology, we thought it would be interesting to dive into the actual impact of using a SMR drive. The person who replied probably doesn't want to be evasive, they just don't have the privileges to provide that info. More Buying Choices $101.20 (48 used & new offers) Western Digital 4TB WD Gold … I recently just shucked my first WD 8TB Easystore and despite what I have read on the internet, I don't believe my "White label" 8TB drive is a WD Red drive. Even if you escalate you won't be able to get this information. My name is Michelle. – Learn about WD - easystore 14TB External USB 3.0 Hard Drive - Black with 2 Answers – Best Buy These Western Digital 10TB drives have a secondary use, namely as a less expensive way to get internal hard drives. As far as PMR vs SMR, one way to find out is take a Dremel to one and see (obviously makes it a paperweight, best to use a dead drive for the dissection). Nov 3, 2020 #35 S. Silentbob343 [H]ard|Gawd. WD 5TB My Passport Portable External Hard Drive, Black - WDBPKJ0050BBK-WESN. Selling an SMR drive in the WD Black line is an insult to the product. 6 offers from $256.17. We can hypothesize that there is a negative impact, but it is better to show it. Press J to jump to the feed. I came home to set it up and backup my computer a 2015 MacBook Pro running El Capitan 10.11.6 Before I did anything to it, I read through the user s guide and saw that I needed to format it to use with my MacBook. Neither the WD120EMFZ or WD120EMAZ drives I own support TRIM. I find the Easystore disks run quite hot, so I usually have a fan to force air into them In response to our specific query, WD officially confirmed the use of SMR platters in the hard drive inside the WD My Passport 5TB 2019 edition. I am not sure. Just shucked 4 from Best Buy - 3 were WD120EMFZs and one WD120EMAZ. In order to get more information about the WD Easystore Desktop drive, you may refer the link mentioned below: http://products.wdc.com/library/AAG/ENG/4078-705144.pdf. May 4th 2020 (Updated October 17th 2020) in HDD. That's a problem, both for performance and application compatibility. The WD SMR disks support TRIM! WD CONFIRMS 12TB easystore(wd120emfz) NOT SMR. IMPORTANT – This Article has been updated on 23/04/2020 with Information Provided by an official statement and hardware breakdown from Western Digital, from their official blog. Simply download WD Backup software, plug in your drive and set your hourly, daily or monthly schedule. I don't know why Seagate doesn't, it seems like a no brainer! Updated table : 23/04/2020 96TB Mediasonic H82-SU3S2 / 72TB Raid 50 on Mediasonic H8R2-SU3S2 Only Seagate manufactures them, so stay away from those and you’ll be fine. Raid 1 mirror, Do you have 2 x 14TB? WD does make an SMR Data Center drive also. This post has been updated accordingly with these new details. I know WD got in trouble for not disclosing SMR on many of their drives.. Nov 2, 2020 #34 B. bigddybn Supreme [H]ardness. So thank you WD for replying my questions and had to sadly inform me the fact that I don't have a SMR drive. WD - 3.5" WD20EZAZ: 2TB Blue: DM-SMR (4), EZRZ is CMR: WD - 3.5" WD30EZAZ: 3TB Blue: DM-SMR?, EZRZ is CMR: WD - 3.5" WD40EZAZ: 4TB Blue: DM-SMR?, EZRZ is CMR: WD - 3.5" WD60EZAZ: 6TB Blue: DM-SMR (4), EZRZ is CMR: WD - 3.5" Various: All 2-6TB external drives - Elements, My Book, Easystore, etc. Included WD Discovery™ software 2 makes it easy to back up your photos, videos, and documents to the easystore portable drive. WD Elements / WD easystore; Embedded & Removable Flash; WD ReadyView; Legacy & Other Products; Downloads WD Software; Product Firmware; Product Downloads; Warranty & Returns Warranty Services; Warranty Policy; Data Recovery; Shipping Addresses; Warranty Status; Product Replacement; RMA Status WD Red 2TB, 4TB and 6TB NAS Hard Drives Use SMR / DM-SMR. What I can tell you that the most products shipping today are Conventional Recording (PMR). The Ultrastar DC HC620. A+ would shuck again. News emerged last week that WD, Seagate and Toshiba are all shipping hard drives using Shingled Magnetic Recording (SMR), a slower form of HDD technology that can result in … WD Statement: I understand your concern regarding the PMR and SMR specifications of WD Easystore drive. Yes this appears to share a base model with 14TB drives - meaning it has either been binned or WD is just firmware locking these to 12TB in order to sell to that market. I've done some investigation and can't find any concrete evidence that the WD60EFAX is SMR. Check Elements’s Price on Amazon. To setup the … It'd make them way better. WD 12TB Elements Desktop External Hard Drive - USB 3.0 4.6 out of 5 stars 1,094. WD Red 4TB WD40EFAX (SMR) WD40EFAX. I verified the 256mb cache on my Thailand drive (WD80EFAX-68LPHN0). do you suppose because it could be either one, and they don't want to commit one way or the other? … I tried to phrase it as that I'm a customer who wants to use TRIM support and believes I have a SMR drive and mentions the specific model number. Our data shows that the disk drives WD 8TB Easystore WD80EZAZ are NOT based on SMR technology, the disk drives are based on CMR. The WD SMR disks support TRIM! If you have any further questions, please reply to this email and we will be happy to assist you further. That would really help members understand what they are getting. As someone who works in customer service and tech support jobs, that's how I'd reply. Notice the "140" in the R/N number. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the DataHoarder community. Our data shows that the disk drives WD 8TB Easystore WD80EZAZ are NOT based on SMR technology, the disk drives are based on CMR. I found this out from a YouTube video by JDM_WAAT published on 7/26/2017 titled "Western Digital Easystore 8TB (WD Red inside) unboxing and shucking. October 15, 2017, 9:47pm #17. Someone on WD or Synology forums wanted to know if their Red drive is PMR or SMR and was able to reach head of support and they still refused to share this information. THEY ARE PLAYING THE SAME GAME WITH THE RED INTERNALS . WD120EMAZ - R/N: US7SAM120 - this appears to be a white label 12TB Red WD120EFAX - which is itself a relabeled UltraStar HC520 spinning at a slower speed (and surely other changes). WD Easystore 14TB External USB 3.0 Hard Drive - Black WDBAMA0140HBK-NESN $238.50. NTFS is better anyways. AND it comes into 2 versions - SMR and non-SMR. Archived. SMR drives aren’t recommended for large capacity streaming. 480. The WD – Easystore 4TB External USB 3.0 Hard Drive is a great solution for backing up large files. There were a great price at 140 (150 today). I am sorry for the inconvenience caused to you. SMR drives are fine for reading stuff already on the drive, but putting stuff on the drive is the problem as the write speeds can be slow. https://support-en.wd.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/13652. It'd make them way better. 99 $149.99 $149.99. ... Click to expand... found this "WD external HDD drives that have SMR (Shingled Magnetic Recording) drive inside, offer TRIM command support" Link: TRIM Command Support for WD External Drives DC . Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Write speeds are crazy slow. Price Match Guarantee. Find low everyday prices and buy online for delivery or in-store pick-up. like this. For 12TB, 8 Platters/16 Heads = PMR, 6/12 = SMR. For more information please refer the link mentioned below: What Kind of Hard Drive is Inside a Western Digital External Product? I can't get any info on these drives (not even from WD themselves). And tried reinstalling drivers from a power source. I'm using these for backups and I want to know they won't begin grinding to a crawl when I am updating my backups months down the road, costing me time. Western Digital provides data storage solutions, including systems, HDD, Flash SSD, memory and personal data solutions to help customers capture and preserve their most valued data. wow, i'm surprised they took the time to specifically tell you that they aren't going to tell you. They aren't brushing you off directly. which WD EasyStore drives come with shingled drives? Count the platters. We began shipping SMR (Shingled Magnetic Recording) at the start of 2017. Which makes sense for a data center. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I understand your concern regarding the PMR and SMR specifications of WD Easystore drive. Is this the SMR? I know WD got in trouble for not disclosing SMR on many of their drives.. Click to expand... No . ", Your competitors seem more willing to provide this info however, so I may need to reconsider my options. The selling point on the SMR drives seems to be they use quite a bit less power than the CMR versions. The space it offers with such a great price definitely puts it ahead of the competition and Western Digital has a good reputation for quality products. I always thought it would, I don't know of any manufacturers that don't mind honoring warranty claims where their product was dismantled and reassembled by the customer. Joined Nov 21, 2006 Messages 7,277 . It really depends on your use case. THEY ARE PLAYING THE SAME GAME WITH THE RED INTERNALS, https://rml527.blogspot.com/2010/10/hdd-platter-database-western-digital-35_9883.html. WD does make an SMR Data Center drive also. Or is it PMR?? I would avoid them if the cost difference to a non-SMR drive is reasonable. These are generally white label WD WD100EMAZ 10TB hard drives but we have heard of some containing WD Red variants. Value For Money. I'm running 8x 5TB SMR's (ZFS Mirror) and they're great.. until you write in previously written territory or overwrite. I have some that I solely use for storing media on unRAID where data isn’t striped across the array. The selling point on the SMR drives seems to be they use quite a bit less power than the CMR versions. Any resilver/rebuild is literally 2MB/s on a good day, and usually 250KB/s, when read-writing to an area you've used before. Please be informed that the information about the drive is whether use Perpendicular Magnetic Recording (PMR) or Shingled Magnetic Recording (SMR), is not something that we typically provide to our customers. Joined Nov 7, 2019 Messages 4. Forum discussion: quote: Some Western Digital WD Red HDDs Allegedly Use SMR, A Big Nono for NAS and RAID Western Digital launched the WD Red line of … Avoid it at all costs unless it's less than HALF the cost of a normal drive. And even that takes way too long. Give us a drive firmware update that adds it! Spartacus said: Are these SMR drives? This is a drive size indicator. Western Digital was founded on April 23, 1970, by Alvin B. Phillips, a Motorola employee, as General Digital, initially a manufacturer of MOS test equipment. It is compatible with both Windows and Mac, and it has flexible installation options. Are these SMR drives? Western Digital Corporation, also known as Western Digital and WD, is a famous American computer hard disk manufacturer and provider of various data storage solutions. The only source I can find for this claim is Synology. We had two main areas of testing. and I thought rephrasing the question would maybe make WD give us the answer. AVIO enters about 13.09ms, which is comparable to the 90s, not even. Page 1 of 1 Start over Page 1 of 1 . Hopefully WD support will still be willing to answer any future questions . Has anyone that owns one of these queried it to see if it has TRIM support? WD Elements / WD easystore; Flash intégré et amovible; WD ReadyView; Produits antérieurs et autres produits; Téléchargements Logiciel WD; Micrologiciel de produit; Téléchargements de produits; Garantie et retours Services de garantie; Politique de garantie; Récupération de données There are so many things to consider that it is difficult to put a price range on 10TB hard drives, you can expect to pay between $130 to $200. If you're running a raid with parity distributed across all drives, any time any file changes, every drive has to write and SMR drives can hold the whole thing up. The R/N is similar, one letter different, US7SA M 140 instead of US7SA P 140. WD Elements™ portable hard drives with USB 3.0 offer reliable, high-capacity storage to go, fast data transfer rates, universal connectivity and massive capacity for value-conscious consumers. What WD and HGST hard drives are SMR? easystore™ desktop storage comes equipped with WD Backup™ software. It does suck that WD won't tell us one way or the other. Since WD isn't giving much information about these here's what I know. I had considered buying some SMR drives for (effectively) WORM memory, but there's no way the price is worth dealing with that crap. People can spread the truth now and thanks to WD support for confirming. This means that the Easystore isn’t officially available outside of these countries, as the product is exclusive to Best Buy." 4.7 out of 5 stars 23,526. No surprise.WD's actually worse than Seagate when it comes to giving people information regarding their products. Learn more with 37 Questions and 99 Answers for WD - easystore 14TB External USB 3.0 Hard Drive - Black WD Easystore 4TB External USB 3.0 Portable Hard Drive WDBAJP0040BBK-WESN -Black. It's called Shitty Magnetic Recording for a reason.. This is a sub that aims at bringing data hoarders together to share their passion with like minded people. They set the bar low and aren't transparent about anything. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the DataHoarder community. Shucking 8TB WD Easystores. Step 1: Buy. That's exactly what I'm thinking,....there are some that are pmr and others of the same type that are smr. The WD40EFAX is the only SMR drive in the comparison and is the focus of the testing. Is there someone else on your team who may have this information and would be able to assist me further?". This is a sub that aims at bringing data hoarders together to share their passion with like minded people. The computer needs to be able to tell it not to worry about an unused sector. So I picked up quite a few WD Easystore drives and they have all turned out to be WD80EMAZ white drives. They’d be brutal with SMR drives. WD80EDAZ is the new drive that is being found in the WD 8tb Easystore drives instead of the WD Red WD80EZAZ we are all used to. It turns out that WD has also been using SMR technology since last 2016 in … Holy hell. List of all WD firmware and software available for download. Model and Specs. Also all WD drives that are SMR to this point have claimed TRIM support. https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/dtl7zz/comment/f6xzrbe. And it also specifically says in the first link that shucking an external drive will void the warranty, contrary to what many here think (void-if-removed stickers on a seam are cheap, surprised they haven't done that already). The Ultrastar DC HC620. Western Digital gets sued for sneaking SMR disks into its NAS channel WD clearly underestimated the consumer outrage they'd face over SMR disks. They are disgusting when you enter overwrite territory without a S.M.A.R.T secure-erase to reset the damn thing. The WD120EMAZ is approximately 30g lighter than the EMFZ drive - but that may just be because the EMFZ has an extra platter for 14TB rather than the EMAZ being SMR. 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